Curse

willrockformilk · Mar 30, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

seems likes wars mostly use their elites for attack skills. i know [primal rage] was hugely popular for a while until the nerf and i read somewhere that some top level guild was using [battle rage] as a half assed replacement. so i decided to try it out and wow. i thought it was amazing. won 8 straight in RA on my first bar i tested with it.

i used:

[battle rage][keen chop][body blow][dismember][bull's strike][wild blow][mending touch][resurrection signet]

which was pretty bunk. needed an interrupt. and wild blow wasnt nearly as useful as i thought it would be. and dismember wasnt really my style.

[battle rage] has great synergy with [bull's strike].

i could see [battle rage] being use to maintain [save yourselves] pretty well though i havent tried it yet.

maybe use [frenzy] and then [battle rage] to cancel. i dunno seems good.

id prolly run this bar on my second try:

[battle rage][keen chop][body blow][frenzy][bull's strike][disrupting chop][rending touch][resurrection signet]

[rending touch] because [guardian] is more of a problem than [lightning reflexes]

im not saying its the best. i just think it is very viable. the nerfed [primal rage] bar is still probably better than this, but i wouldnt know ive never run it.

thoughts suggestions?

subarucar · Mar 30, 2009, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Winning in RA doesnt mean a bar is good, you can get glad points without a skillbar.
Keen chop isnt worth the space on your bar, on the first bar drop it for [Disrupting chop], and on the second drop it for [Dismember]. Using frenzy and battle rage is a bit meh, do you want an IAS or a IMS? If you want both take PR.
In PvE, Battle rage and the Sunspear ranger skill [never rampage alone] work well together, you could also fit ["save Yourselves" (Kurzick)] onto that bar.

FoxBat · Mar 30, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Keen Chop? Really?

[Battle Rage][Body Blow][Dismember][Disrupting Chop][Frenzy][Bull's Strike][No Skill][Resurrection Signet]

Options - [shock][rending touch][mending touch][plague touch]

A fine build that's just weaker than [warrior's endurance], that's all.

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Using frenzy and battle rage is a bit meh

Yeah, warrior bars with [frenzy][rush] are the worst thing. >_>

DarkNecrid · Mar 30, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Battle Rage is alright, but it's not worth the elite slot like Primal Rage was tbh. Primal Rage was worth it because by itself it improves your warrior playing ability so it was worth taking over Axe/Sword elites, Battle Rage is Rush+, but it doesn't substantially improve your ability to do big damage, so I think taking a weapon based elite would be much better, but that's just me.

Keen Chop also lowers your actual DPS btw, you shouldn't use it unless you're a gimmick A/W.

willrockformilk · Mar 30, 2009, 07:19 PM // 19:19

[keen chop] is really that bad? seemed alright to me. i was looking for something adren-spammable. guess keen chop wasnt it.

i think that for me. IMS is more important than IAS. utility is more important than damage. i hate getting shutdown. id rather be versatile. deal with different things then just raw damage. thats just me though. im sure on a real team though raw damage is prefered. let the casters deal with annoying things.

DarkNecrid · Mar 30, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

The reason Keen Chop is bad because its low adrenal cost doesn't synergize with many other Warrior attacks and if you hit someone fleeing you automatically critical anyways. It has no utility or +damage, so it winds up being a useless skill most of the time.

awry · Mar 30, 2009, 08:03 PM // 20:03

I usually use battle rage w/ a symbolic strike build, 100+ dmg every other attack

TheodenKing · Mar 30, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by awry

I usually use battle rage w/ a symbolic strike build, 100+ dmg every other attack

Indeed... can get some pretty numbers from that combo.

ac1inferno · Mar 31, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46

[[Battle Rage] isn't bad. It's just out shadowed by [[Warrior's Endurance]. But if WE was to be nerfed, BR probably would be used or at least tried out before going back to Shock Axes.

Order of builds would be:

1. [build prof=W/A Axe=12+1+1 Strength=12+1][Dismember][Power Attack][Protector's Strike][Bull's Strike][Frenzy][Dash][Warrior's Endurance][Resurrection Signet][/build]

2. [build prof=W/E axe=12+1+1 strength=12+1 air=3][dismember][body blow][disrupting chop][bull's strike][shock][frenzy][battle rage][resurrection signet][/build]

3. [build prof=warri/eleme axemas=12+1+1 streng=12+1 airmag=3][eviscerate][body blow][disrupting chop][shock][bulls strike][frenzy][rush][Resurrection Signet][/build]

snaek · Mar 31, 2009, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by darknecrid

Keen Chop also lowers your actual DPS btw, you shouldn't use it unless you're a gimmick A/W.

not even...its still pretty horrible on sins. first of all your natural crit % is already high enough to not need an 100% crit attack skill... and even if you did, [malicious strike] or [wild blow] would still be better.

another reason that [keen chop] is bad with [battle rage] is because generally an ims is used against kiting foes...and attacks vs kitings foes are generally auto-crits anyways.

subarucar · Mar 31, 2009, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Yeah, warrior bars with [frenzy][rush] are the worst thing. >_>

Here is what i ment, as you didnt understand my point. Battle Rage being used as a cancel stance is a waste of an elite slot. And using frenzy, doesnt allow you to take advantage of Battle Rage, they dont work that well together.

ac1inferno · Mar 31, 2009, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by subarucar

Battle Rage being used as a cancel stance is a waste of an elite slot. And using frenzy, doesnt allow you to take advantage of Battle Rage, they dont work that well together.

I don't see how. You don't lose all adrenaline when [[Battle Rage] ends now if that's what you were thinking. Battle Rage to build up adrenaline much faster, then use [[Frenzy] for an IAS to unload, then repeat.

zling · Apr 01, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by subarucar

Here is what i ment, as you didnt understand my point. Battle Rage being used as a cancel stance is a waste of an elite slot. And using frenzy, doesnt allow you to take advantage of Battle Rage, they dont work that well together.

psst, [battle rage] helps you build adrenaline faster, which means you can unload more often. also if you observe good you'll see that they arent in [frenzy] most of the time, but either stanceless or in [rush]/[dash]/whatever else they use on the current [warrior's endurance] bars.

so the question comes down to whether it's worth taking over [warrior's endurance] or not, personally I still think [warrior's endurance] has the upper hand but it's not by much. which leads us to the op's original point, yes [battle rage] is a pretty usable elite now however it's still unclassed, even if only by a bit by [warrior's endurance] which is why it doesn't see play and won't until either [warrior's endurance] gets fixed(not nerfed into oblivion that is) or its fuel: [power attack]+[protector's strike] or perhaps a combination of the 2.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 09, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I tried a spike build with [battle rage][sever artery][gash][sun and moon slash][final thrust] and thought it interesting but awkward.

Honestly [flail] gives better dps, and although it's an excellent cancel stance for frenzy, using it with frenzy sort of defeats the purpose of it. I might try it again, but [primal rage] doesn't end with a bull's strike.

Basically it's weird to combine battlerage with an IAS, and having an IAS is the whole point of playing warrior. I liked it at first in pve but was sort of disappointed when comparing it later.

Morgan Crowe · Apr 09, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Basically it's weird to combine battlerage with an IAS, and having an IAS is the whole point of playing warrior. I liked it at first in pve but was sort of disappointed when comparing it later.

Wait. WHAT?

It's so easy to run an effective bar with IAS and Battle Rage. You build your adrenalin with Battle Rage and can you use DChop a lot. If you want to spike you just hit bull's, activate frenzy and press 12(3), after unloading and/or target kiting away from you, you chase it by simply using Battle Rage again - because it's ready almost every time.

The multiple use of dchop (twice as fast ready) and the +33% ims plus the possible spike frequency, which is way higher than with a normal shockaxe makes Battle Rage a strong skill.

People just don't run because Warrior's Endurance is overpowered in every aspect.

Nightow · Apr 09, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by subarucar

In PvE, Battle rage and the Sunspear ranger skill [never rampage alone] work well together, you could also fit ["save Yourselves" (Kurzick)] onto that bar.

With [never rampage [email protected]] lasting 25 seconds, would you have to run a zealous axe most of the time?

Also since this does not have an activation time, can this be used mid-attack and does it have an aftercast delay of any sort?

Last question, don't you need at least [charm animal] and [Comfort Animal] since... "This skill requires your pet to be alive to activate"?

It's been a while since I last played my warrior but this looks interesting.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 10, 2009, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by Morgan Crowe

Wait. WHAT?

It's so easy to run an effective bar with IAS and Battle Rage. You build your adrenalin with Battle Rage and can you use DChop a lot. If you want to spike you just hit bull's, activate frenzy and press 12(3), after unloading and/or target kiting away from you, you chase it by simply using Battle Rage again - because it's ready almost every time.

The multiple use of dchop (twice as fast ready) and the +33% ims plus the possible spike frequency, which is way higher than with a normal shockaxe makes Battle Rage a strong skill.

People just don't run because Warrior's Endurance is overpowered in every aspect.

OKAY FINE I'LL DO IT ALRIGHT

Meh turned out to be exactly like eviscerate except I ran a bit faster chasing kiters. Basically attacking without an IAS is just lame feeling even if you can get more dchops (but not really).

[dismember][executioner's strike][bull's strike][disrupting chop][frenzy][battle rage][shock][enraging charge]
Then I went to warrior's endurance, then back to hammer.

I want to like battlerage, though.
Actually what I *really* want to do is [charge] and [frenzy].